Charity's generous donation allows repair work to start on flood-wrecked park bridge

STAN Wallis (left) from the Preston Down Trust, hands a cheque to Ashley Wilce, chairman Cullompton Community Association.

STAN Wallis (left) from the Preston Down Trust, hands a cheque to Ashley Wilce, chairman Cullompton Community Association.

First published in News by

WORK to repair a flood-wrecked bridge in a Cullompton park has been given a boost thanks to a £1,000 donation from a Plymouthbased Christian charity.

The Preston Down Trust also pledged hardware and manpower to begin restoring the wooden crossing in the Cullompton Community Association Fields, which was severely damaged by floods at the end of November.

Ashley Wilce, chairman of the CCA, which is tasked with maintaining the 33-acre public open space, accepted a cheque from Stan Wallis of the trust before a team of volunteers from the organisation got to work on the first phase of rebuilding the pedestrian and vehicular access bridge last Friday.

Last month the CCA warned it may be forced to give up responsibility for the park unless it received additional funding to cover repair and general maintenance costs.

It called upon Cullompton Town Council to raise its share of next year’s council tax by £1 per household to fund the upkeep and a consultation will be held with residents this year to determine whether the increase should go ahead.

Mr Wilce said: “This offer of both financial and practical help from the Preston Down Trust is very welcome but we will still need more money before we can properly fix the bridge. Without it, there will be no town fayre this year.

“There is still much work to be done to ensure that the CCA Fields remain a safe and well kept area where the people of Cullompton can benefit from the open space provided, so let us hope this item of good news will bring forward other offers of help.”

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5:20pm Tue 22 Jan 13

John Wallis says...

It's a great shame that this trust cant put this money towards paying taxes as any other Private Members club should
The Exclusive brethren have very recently re-branded as The Plymouth Brethren Christian Church
It's worldwide leader Bruce D Hales preaches hatred
It continues its Unchristian policy of 'Separation' which precludes members from eating or dining - yes even sharing afternoon tea with those who they don't take communion with
They are currently undergoing a thorough investigation by the Police ,Charity Commission , HMRC and the DfE for misappropriating congregational funds
This is a warning to all those who look at their recently started Public Crusade that this cult is not what it may initially seem
Recent speeches in the House of Lords will confirm this and they are set to appear before the First tier Tribunal in March this year where 50 years of terror will be revealed
There is a wealth of factual information about this group online
Do not be deceived by the new PBCC website that went live late in 2012
It's a great shame that this trust cant put this money towards paying taxes as any other Private Members club should The Exclusive brethren have very recently re-branded as The Plymouth Brethren Christian Church It's worldwide leader Bruce D Hales preaches hatred It continues its Unchristian policy of 'Separation' which precludes members from eating or dining - yes even sharing afternoon tea with those who they don't take communion with They are currently undergoing a thorough investigation by the Police ,Charity Commission , HMRC and the DfE for misappropriating congregational funds This is a warning to all those who look at their recently started Public Crusade that this cult is not what it may initially seem Recent speeches in the House of Lords will confirm this and they are set to appear before the First tier Tribunal in March this year where 50 years of terror will be revealed There is a wealth of factual information about this group online Do not be deceived by the new PBCC website that went live late in 2012 John Wallis
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5:23pm Tue 22 Jan 13

John Wallis says...

Interestingly the Mail on Sunday revealed some interesting facts only last Sunday
http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2265258/Probe-strict
-Christian-sect-scho
ol-shut-girl-pupil-3
7-days--making-Faceb
ook-page.html
Interestingly the Mail on Sunday revealed some interesting facts only last Sunday http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2265258/Probe-strict -Christian-sect-scho ol-shut-girl-pupil-3 7-days--making-Faceb ook-page.html John Wallis
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6:52pm Tue 22 Jan 13

SuzieQutzie says...

Generous donation? Please don't make me laugh! Do you know how much money these guys have?! It might be good to see a story too, on how until they were refused Charity Status recently, they never donated money to any public causes... this is all just a huge pretence to try and convince the Charity Commission that they are for public benefit, when they do not even eat with the public, who they consider evil, even born-again Christians like myself are refused any contact with our Exclusive Brethren families (this is the name the above religious group used until they recently mounted their massive PR campaign to pretend to be Plymouth Brethren, when in truth they separated from this group in 1848.) Talk about trying to con people... see this article: http://www.thirdsect
or.co.uk/go/news/art
icle/1166486/open-br
ethren-write-charity
-commission-stress-d
ifferences-exclusive
-branch/ Not only that, it is also odd that all the other "Churches" who give for Charity don't see the need to advertise it around the country. I am sure if the Salvation Army, CofE and RC (St. Vincent de Paul) touted their every donation, our newspapers would be overflowing with 100's of pages of all their great acts of charity over the centuries... Maybe the newly named Plymouth Brethren Christian Church could be more Christian and follow the Bible teachings, which say: "Matthew 6:1-4,
Take heed not to do your alms before men to be seen of them, otherwise ye have no reward with your Father who is in the heavens. When therefore thou doest alms, sound not a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may have glory from men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand does; so that thine alms may be in secret, and thy Father who sees in secret will render to thee." (Taken from the Exclusive Brethren's own version of the Bible, re-written by their founder JN Darby and not used by any other mainstream Christian Church.) Or maybe they missed that bit about not blowing their own trumpet in public...
Generous donation? Please don't make me laugh! Do you know how much money these guys have?! It might be good to see a story too, on how until they were refused Charity Status recently, they never donated money to any public causes... this is all just a huge pretence to try and convince the Charity Commission that they are for public benefit, when they do not even eat with the public, who they consider evil, even born-again Christians like myself are refused any contact with our Exclusive Brethren families (this is the name the above religious group used until they recently mounted their massive PR campaign to pretend to be Plymouth Brethren, when in truth they separated from this group in 1848.) Talk about trying to con people... see this article: http://www.thirdsect or.co.uk/go/news/art icle/1166486/open-br ethren-write-charity -commission-stress-d ifferences-exclusive -branch/ Not only that, it is also odd that all the other "Churches" who give for Charity don't see the need to advertise it around the country. I am sure if the Salvation Army, CofE and RC (St. Vincent de Paul) touted their every donation, our newspapers would be overflowing with 100's of pages of all their great acts of charity over the centuries... Maybe the newly named Plymouth Brethren Christian Church could be more Christian and follow the Bible teachings, which say: "Matthew 6:1-4, Take heed not to do your alms before men to be seen of them, otherwise ye have no reward with your Father who is in the heavens. When therefore thou doest alms, sound not a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may have glory from men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand does; so that thine alms may be in secret, and thy Father who sees in secret will render [it] to thee." (Taken from the Exclusive Brethren's own version of the Bible, re-written by their founder JN Darby and not used by any other mainstream Christian Church.) Or maybe they missed that bit about not blowing their own trumpet in public... SuzieQutzie
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5:08pm Wed 23 Jan 13

thegospel4allmen says...

The mail on Sunday was actually a libellous article of which the actual school is now rebutting. This I have learned from my local school who has given me the truth as to each accusation made. Certainly not a factual article.
And for other public benefit actions by the PBCC see their website on
http://www.plymouthb
rethrenchristianchur
ch.org
Excellent Christian activity.
The mail on Sunday was actually a libellous article of which the actual school is now rebutting. This I have learned from my local school who has given me the truth as to each accusation made. Certainly not a factual article. And for other public benefit actions by the PBCC see their website on http://www.plymouthb rethrenchristianchur ch.org Excellent Christian activity. thegospel4allmen
  • Score: -1

11:31pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Zoe-James says...

Mr Wallis

Please be aware that this article in the Mail On Sunday has been refuted. To be honest I thought it was a reasonable paper, not capable of the tabloid trash of the Daily Star, etc, where truth and accuracy are of no account. Here's the school's reaponse:

Wilton Park School
COMMENTS ON ARTICLE IN THE MAIL ON SUNDAY 20TH JANUARY 2013

This statement has been prepared by the Trustees of Wilton Park School who legally affirm its accuracy having investigated all the facts.

SUMMARY
• The Mail on Sunday has published a defamatory and erroneous article which is a serious distortion of the facts which we emphatically and categorically deny as being both false and prejudicial.

• At the time of writing (Tuesday 22nd January 2013 0900 hours) Wilton Park School has received no notification or advice of any impending investigation by the Wiltshire County Council, the Department of Education, the Police or any other agency

• The headline ‘Christian sect school that ‘shut up’ girl pupil’ portrays the biased and inaccurate character of the entire article: it is completely untrue to suggest that this government registered and accredited school in any way acted upon directions or instructions from the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church.



SPECIFIC REBUTTALS OF SOME OF THE ERRONEOUS STATEMENTS

“Christian sect school” The Plymouth Brethren Christian Church is a mainstream Christian Church holding substantially the same doctrines as the Church of England. The PBCC is not a sect but is structured and operates on common Christian ground as taught by Holy Scripture which is available for all Christians.

“Yesterday a local education authority confirmed it was investigating allegations of child cruelty and failures to teach the National Curriculum at…Wilton Park School”
Wilton Park School has not received any notice or advice of any investigation whatsoever. Teaching at Wilton Park School is based on the National Curriculum and is completely open to unfettered inspection by relevant Government Authorities at all times.

“The only girl was shut up for the longest number of days…”
• The ‘only’ girl was never ‘shut up’ and the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church congregation in her parish have never taken any action restricting her activities.
• The girl’s father was going through a difficult time and the girl’s agreed wish was to stay at home with her mother in support of the household.
• This was done with the full knowledge of the school, and the school provided educational resources and support so that she could do her schoolwork at home temporarily
• It is unconceivable that a national newspaper should denigrate a school that was showing support and care for a family that was going through a difficult time


“… boys and girls, aged 16 to 18, are subjected to gender segregation at all times” This allegation appears next to a picture (two boys and a girl talking to each other) and is both completely false and damningly unbelievable. Boys and girls are taught together in the same classrooms and participate together in extracurricular projects and excursions. Nor are they restricted in any way as regards appropriate social contact. This preposterous allegation is clearly intended to ridicule our very treasured young people who enjoy and cherish very active lives as youthful members of our community.

“Laptops are considered instruments of evil” this is completely untrue. Laptops are found in nearly all Plymouth Brethren homes and businesses and are used in all Plymouth Brethren Schools. Computers and mobile phones used by Brethren members have restrictions to prevent access to the unrestricted, immoral and contemptible filth and corruption that we regard as evil and which is so readily available on these electronic devices.
“Liaisons and relationships between pupils are prohibited and monitored using CCTV” use of CCTV show our commitment to Child Protection and school security. According to an independent study last year, more than 2000 secondary schools and academies used 47,806 cctv cameras in total, including 26,887 inside school buildings. Wilton Park School is hardly unusual in this.

“Pupils seldom play any competitive sport” this is another falsehood. Pupils play football, hockey, cricket, table tennis, basketball, volleyball, tennis and other competitive games. They enjoy competitions between houses within a school and also compete in carnivals between schools.

“The Exclusive Brethren … formed in 1848. In that year they broke off from the much larger Plymouth Brethren… founded in 1832” The Mail on Sunday cannot even get basic historical facts right, which can be found in any encyclopaedia. The Brethren originated in Dublin in 1827, after J.N.Darby with others separated from the Established Church. In 1848 there was a division and some members set up other churches also known as “Brethren”. The Plymouth Brethren Christian Church and the other “Brethren” continue to hold JND’s teachings. The “Exclusive Brethren” name was ascribed to the PBCC by the press in the late 1950s.






FURTHER FACTS ABOUT WILTON PARK SCHOOL:


TEACHING AT WILTON PARK SCHOOL
• Wilton Park is an excellent school with a fine record
• The latest School Inspection report praises Wilton Park’s provision for its pupils’ wellbeing and makes no adverse comments about the school at all – see:
• http://www.focus
-school.com/wessex_d
ownloads/wilton_park
_report_2011.pdf
• Teaching is almost entirely by non-Brethren professional staff and is based on the National Curriculum
• Examination results are significantly above the national average
CHILD PROTECTION AT WILTON PARK SCHOOL
• Wilton Park School is committed to child protection and has a Child Protection Policy which is made freely available
• Two Designated Persons are trained to deal with any issues that may arise and to liaise as required with the relevant agencies
• One of the school trustees has overall responsibility to ensure that all legislation and directives are complied with
• Use of CCTV shows Wilton Park’s commitment to school security and child protection

Unfortunately for the Mail, they may find themselves in hot water - watch this space...
Mr Wallis Please be aware that this article in the Mail On Sunday has been refuted. To be honest I thought it was a reasonable paper, not capable of the tabloid trash of the Daily Star, etc, where truth and accuracy are of no account. Here's the school's reaponse: Wilton Park School COMMENTS ON ARTICLE IN THE MAIL ON SUNDAY 20TH JANUARY 2013 This statement has been prepared by the Trustees of Wilton Park School who legally affirm its accuracy having investigated all the facts. SUMMARY • The Mail on Sunday has published a defamatory and erroneous article which is a serious distortion of the facts which we emphatically and categorically deny as being both false and prejudicial. • At the time of writing (Tuesday 22nd January 2013 0900 hours) Wilton Park School has received no notification or advice of any impending investigation by the Wiltshire County Council, the Department of Education, the Police or any other agency • The headline ‘Christian sect school that ‘shut up’ girl pupil’ portrays the biased and inaccurate character of the entire article: it is completely untrue to suggest that this government registered and accredited school in any way acted upon directions or instructions from the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church. SPECIFIC REBUTTALS OF SOME OF THE ERRONEOUS STATEMENTS “Christian sect school” The Plymouth Brethren Christian Church is a mainstream Christian Church holding substantially the same doctrines as the Church of England. The PBCC is not a sect but is structured and operates on common Christian ground as taught by Holy Scripture which is available for all Christians. “Yesterday a local education authority confirmed it was investigating allegations of child cruelty and failures to teach the National Curriculum at…Wilton Park School” Wilton Park School has not received any notice or advice of any investigation whatsoever. Teaching at Wilton Park School is based on the National Curriculum and is completely open to unfettered inspection by relevant Government Authorities at all times. “The only girl was shut up for the longest number of days…” • The ‘only’ girl was never ‘shut up’ and the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church congregation in her parish have never taken any action restricting her activities. • The girl’s father was going through a difficult time and the girl’s agreed wish was to stay at home with her mother in support of the household. • This was done with the full knowledge of the school, and the school provided educational resources and support so that she could do her schoolwork at home temporarily • It is unconceivable that a national newspaper should denigrate a school that was showing support and care for a family that was going through a difficult time “… boys and girls, aged 16 to 18, are subjected to gender segregation at all times” This allegation appears next to a picture (two boys and a girl talking to each other) and is both completely false and damningly unbelievable. Boys and girls are taught together in the same classrooms and participate together in extracurricular projects and excursions. Nor are they restricted in any way as regards appropriate social contact. This preposterous allegation is clearly intended to ridicule our very treasured young people who enjoy and cherish very active lives as youthful members of our community. “Laptops are considered instruments of evil” this is completely untrue. Laptops are found in nearly all Plymouth Brethren homes and businesses and are used in all Plymouth Brethren Schools. Computers and mobile phones used by Brethren members have restrictions to prevent access to the unrestricted, immoral and contemptible filth and corruption that we regard as evil and which is so readily available on these electronic devices. “Liaisons and relationships between pupils are prohibited and monitored using CCTV” use of CCTV show our commitment to Child Protection and school security. According to an independent study last year, more than 2000 secondary schools and academies used 47,806 cctv cameras in total, including 26,887 inside school buildings. Wilton Park School is hardly unusual in this. “Pupils seldom play any competitive sport” this is another falsehood. Pupils play football, hockey, cricket, table tennis, basketball, volleyball, tennis and other competitive games. They enjoy competitions between houses within a school and also compete in carnivals between schools. “The Exclusive Brethren … formed in 1848. In that year they broke off from the much larger Plymouth Brethren… founded in 1832” The Mail on Sunday cannot even get basic historical facts right, which can be found in any encyclopaedia. The Brethren originated in Dublin in 1827, after J.N.Darby with others separated from the Established Church. In 1848 there was a division and some members set up other churches also known as “Brethren”. The Plymouth Brethren Christian Church and the other “Brethren” continue to hold JND’s teachings. The “Exclusive Brethren” name was ascribed to the PBCC by the press in the late 1950s. FURTHER FACTS ABOUT WILTON PARK SCHOOL: TEACHING AT WILTON PARK SCHOOL • Wilton Park is an excellent school with a fine record • The latest School Inspection report praises Wilton Park’s provision for its pupils’ wellbeing and makes no adverse comments about the school at all – see: • http://www.focus -school.com/wessex_d ownloads/wilton_park _report_2011.pdf • Teaching is almost entirely by non-Brethren professional staff and is based on the National Curriculum • Examination results are significantly above the national average CHILD PROTECTION AT WILTON PARK SCHOOL • Wilton Park School is committed to child protection and has a Child Protection Policy which is made freely available • Two Designated Persons are trained to deal with any issues that may arise and to liaise as required with the relevant agencies • One of the school trustees has overall responsibility to ensure that all legislation and directives are complied with • Use of CCTV shows Wilton Park’s commitment to school security and child protection Unfortunately for the Mail, they may find themselves in hot water - watch this space... Zoe-James
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3:23am Thu 24 Jan 13

SuzieQutzie says...

Ahhh, but it seems the PBCC or Exclusive Brethren as they used to be called, prior to their current PR Campaign where they pretend to be a church they split from in 1848, are not all they would like to appear they are, according to many other news articles, which I am sure they also refuted... they always do.

They also sue or threaten to sue anyone who speaks the truth about them, in direct violation of the Bible's directives to not seek redress in a legal court of law and to be happy when someone accuses you, even falsely...

http://www.tntmagazi
ne.com/news/world/au
stralian-doctor-stru
ck-off-for-trying-to
-cure-gay-patient
… http://religiouschil
dabuse.blogsive.html


… http://www.spot.co.n
z/2011/04/totalitari
an-control-of-exclun
ews.com.au/top-stori
es/exclusive-brethre
n-school-kids-brainw
ashed/story-e6frfkp9
-1111112261191#ixzz2
IqYFGyNt

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-england-shr
opshire-12182333
Ahhh, but it seems the PBCC or Exclusive Brethren as they used to be called, prior to their current PR Campaign where they pretend to be a church they split from in 1848, are not all they would like to appear they are, according to many other news articles, which I am sure they also refuted... they always do. They also sue or threaten to sue anyone who speaks the truth about them, in direct violation of the Bible's directives to not seek redress in a legal court of law and to be happy when someone accuses you, even falsely... http://www.tntmagazi ne.com/news/world/au stralian-doctor-stru ck-off-for-trying-to -cure-gay-patient … http://religiouschil dabuse.blogsive.html … http://www.spot.co.n z/2011/04/totalitari an-control-of-exclun ews.com.au/top-stori es/exclusive-brethre n-school-kids-brainw ashed/story-e6frfkp9 -1111112261191#ixzz2 IqYFGyNt http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-shr opshire-12182333 SuzieQutzie
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3:28am Thu 24 Jan 13

SuzieQutzie says...

As to holding the same doctrines as CofE, what utter tripe. I was bought up in the Exclusive Brethren cult and I am now an Intern and Theological Student with CofE. My Exclusive Brethren family are allowed nothing to do with me, my CofE Church family are always supporting and helping me. I am not allowed to worship or go to church with my Exclusive Brethren family, yet my Exclusive Brethren family would be welcome in my CofE church if they were allowed to come, but they are prevented from doing so even if they wished it. I can take communion at me CofE church with any current commuincant member of any other Christian Church, but I am not allowed to even eat or drink with an Exclusive Brethren cult member, let alone have the "Lords's Supper" with them, as i am considered evil for leaving their cult and becoming a committed Born-again Christian after doing so.

Zoe James and co, If you are going to post utter rubbish as comments, please get your facts straight first instead of being a hypocrite and accusing the Mail of publishing untrue comments when you are doing so yourself... thank you!
As to holding the same doctrines as CofE, what utter tripe. I was bought up in the Exclusive Brethren cult and I am now an Intern and Theological Student with CofE. My Exclusive Brethren family are allowed nothing to do with me, my CofE Church family are always supporting and helping me. I am not allowed to worship or go to church with my Exclusive Brethren family, yet my Exclusive Brethren family would be welcome in my CofE church if they were allowed to come, but they are prevented from doing so even if they wished it. I can take communion at me CofE church with any current commuincant member of any other Christian Church, but I am not allowed to even eat or drink with an Exclusive Brethren cult member, let alone have the "Lords's Supper" with them, as i am considered evil for leaving their cult and becoming a committed Born-again Christian after doing so. Zoe James and co, If you are going to post utter rubbish as comments, please get your facts straight first instead of being a hypocrite and accusing the Mail of publishing untrue comments when you are doing so yourself... thank you! SuzieQutzie
  • Score: 0

3:35am Thu 24 Jan 13

SuzieQutzie says...

It seems some of my links as posted above may have gotten corrupted, here they are again:

http://www.thirdsect
or.co.uk/go/news/art
icle/1166486/open-br
ethren-write-charity
-commission-stress-d
ifferences-exclusive
-branch/

Totalitarian control of Exclusive Brethren members means children have no true intellectual or religious freedom http://religiouschil
dabuse.blogspot.co.n
z/2011/04/totalitari
an-control-of-exclus
ive.html

CHILDREN at taxpayer-funded schools run by the Exclusive Brethren sect are brainwashed and their basic texts are crudely censored, say former teachers.

Read more: http://www.news.com.
au/top-stories/exclu
sive-brethren-school
-kids-brainwashed/st
ory-e6frfkp9-1111112
261191#ixzz2IrPdwEbs


http://www.3news.co.
nz/Doctor-banned-for
-trying-to-cure-gay-
patient/tabid/423/ar
ticleID/268164/Defau
lt.aspx
It seems some of my links as posted above may have gotten corrupted, here they are again: http://www.thirdsect or.co.uk/go/news/art icle/1166486/open-br ethren-write-charity -commission-stress-d ifferences-exclusive -branch/ Totalitarian control of Exclusive Brethren members means children have no true intellectual or religious freedom http://religiouschil dabuse.blogspot.co.n z/2011/04/totalitari an-control-of-exclus ive.html CHILDREN at taxpayer-funded schools run by the Exclusive Brethren sect are brainwashed and their basic texts are crudely censored, say former teachers. Read more: http://www.news.com. au/top-stories/exclu sive-brethren-school -kids-brainwashed/st ory-e6frfkp9-1111112 261191#ixzz2IrPdwEbs http://www.3news.co. nz/Doctor-banned-for -trying-to-cure-gay- patient/tabid/423/ar ticleID/268164/Defau lt.aspx SuzieQutzie
  • Score: 1

3:54am Thu 24 Jan 13

SuzieQutzie says...

Interestingly as you will see from my posts above, many news articles & reports available do not tell the same sunshiney story as the ones by the Exclusive Brethren themselves, or their fancy PR company, incidentally the same one the Scientology cult use.... funny that!

Also I note, that the Report for Wilton Park, Wiltshire, 2011 by the School Inspection Service, says: Firstly...
Great buildings and facilities, well-behaved pupils and generally an excellent report except for the following two telling points:
‘ develop pupils’ confidence in expressing ideas and opinions orally to enhance their skills as independent thinkers…… Pupils, and in particular the girls, are reticent about speaking at any length during lessons.’
(they must not realize that to question in the Exclusive Brethren means being punished for not automatically following the directives of the leader without first seeking if it is of God, as the Bible tells us to do... or to be expelled for refusing to do as you are told, in direct contradiction with Human Rights article 9.)
and 2ndly...
‘A lack of clarity in demarcation of duties and communication between the trust and the school’s senior team causes some confusion in policy implementation and practical operations. The number of trustees in total and the number of trustees on the management team is unusually high…. improve the clarity between the respective responsibilities of the trust and the school by ensuring that the distinction between policy responsibility and governance of the school operations is understood by both parties; and improve operational efficiency by reducing the total number of trustees'.
(so does this mean the trustess, ie the church group interfere with the teaching?!)
Interestingly as you will see from my posts above, many news articles & reports available do not tell the same sunshiney story as the ones by the Exclusive Brethren themselves, or their fancy PR company, incidentally the same one the Scientology cult use.... funny that! Also I note, that the Report for Wilton Park, Wiltshire, 2011 by the School Inspection Service, says: Firstly... Great buildings and facilities, well-behaved pupils and generally an excellent report except for the following two telling points: ‘[need to] develop pupils’ confidence in expressing ideas and opinions orally to enhance their skills as independent thinkers…… Pupils, and in particular the girls, are reticent about speaking at any length during lessons.’ (they must not realize that to question in the Exclusive Brethren means being punished for not automatically following the directives of the leader without first seeking if it is of God, as the Bible tells us to do... or to be expelled for refusing to do as you are told, in direct contradiction with Human Rights article 9.) and 2ndly... ‘A lack of clarity in demarcation of duties and communication between the trust [ie EBs] and the school’s senior team [ie teachers] causes some confusion in policy implementation and practical operations. The number of trustees in total and the number of trustees on the management team is unusually high…. [There is a need to] improve the clarity between the respective responsibilities of the trust and the school by ensuring that the distinction between policy responsibility and governance of the school operations is understood by both parties; and improve operational efficiency by reducing the total number of trustees'. (so does this mean the trustess, ie the church group interfere with the teaching?!) SuzieQutzie
  • Score: 1

4:33am Thu 24 Jan 13

SuzieQutzie says...

It may also be pertinent to point out at this time that the Exclusive Brethren (newly named Plymouth Brethren Christian Church) are listed on many cult watch and cult warning sites, and as dangerous.

It was in 1820 that the ‘Plymouth Brethren’ movement started when a group of Christians met in Plymouth, Devon, in England, for worship and the breaking of bread without the support or use of ordained ministers.

A man who dominated the movement in the early years was J. N. Darby (1800-1882) but in 1848 there was a deep division between Darby and the Plymouth brethren. The differences between the two groups were not insignificant. Darby insisted on separating from people who disagreed with his interpretations of Scripture, and a significant number of believers endorsed Darby’s policy and followed him. Those who followed Darby were known as ‘Exclusives’. They believed in a universal worldwide network of fellowships, with strong central leadership and a tight control of members.

In contrast, the Plymouth Brethren were called ‘Open Brethren’. For them, each local assembly is independent. The fellowship enjoyed between assemblies is spontaneous and spiritual, without impinging on the autonomy of the local assembly. The believers locally are themselves directly responsible to the Lord, not a human leader. This represents a major difference between the two sections of the Brethren movement.
http://www.caic.org.
au/biblebase/brethre
n/concerning%20cults
.htm

Exclusive Brethren. Danger Hot Topic. Cult. Severe relationship and information control. Strict authoritarian standards, ruthless shunning of former members. Many families have been broken up due to this group.http://www.cul
ts.co.nz/e.php

The Exclusive Brethren are a Christian-centred religious cult, sometimes called Darbyites, after John Darby, who separated them from the Open Brethren in 1848. They are also an extreme offshoot from the Plymouth Brethren and are found throughout the English speaking world. http://omegatimes.co
m/article.php?intid=
1029

This cult-like control is unbiblical, and is one of the reasons why the movement has attracted negative publicity.

In addition, it appears that the movement's leaders are hypocrites - a trait common to cult leaders. While putting heavy restrictions on the movement's members, the leaders engage in dirty tricks campaigns. http://www.apologeti
csindex.org/254-excl
usive-brethren-cult-
like

CIFS: Cult Information & Family Support. Exclusive Brethren site:cifs.org.au
It may also be pertinent to point out at this time that the Exclusive Brethren (newly named Plymouth Brethren Christian Church) are listed on many cult watch and cult warning sites, and as dangerous. It was in 1820 that the ‘Plymouth Brethren’ movement started when a group of Christians met in Plymouth, Devon, in England, for worship and the breaking of bread without the support or use of ordained ministers. A man who dominated the movement in the early years was J. N. Darby (1800-1882) but in 1848 there was a deep division between Darby and the Plymouth brethren. The differences between the two groups were not insignificant. Darby insisted on separating from people who disagreed with his interpretations of Scripture, and a significant number of believers endorsed Darby’s policy and followed him. Those who followed Darby were known as ‘Exclusives’. They believed in a universal worldwide network of fellowships, with strong central leadership and a tight control of members. In contrast, the Plymouth Brethren were called ‘Open Brethren’. For them, each local assembly is independent. The fellowship enjoyed between assemblies is spontaneous and spiritual, without impinging on the autonomy of the local assembly. The believers locally are themselves directly responsible to the Lord, not a human leader. This represents a major difference between the two sections of the Brethren movement. http://www.caic.org. au/biblebase/brethre n/concerning%20cults .htm Exclusive Brethren. Danger Hot Topic. Cult. Severe relationship and information control. Strict authoritarian standards, ruthless shunning of former members. Many families have been broken up due to this group.http://www.cul ts.co.nz/e.php The Exclusive Brethren are a Christian-centred religious cult, sometimes called Darbyites, after John Darby, who separated them from the Open Brethren in 1848. They are also an extreme offshoot from the Plymouth Brethren and are found throughout the English speaking world. http://omegatimes.co m/article.php?intid= 1029 This cult-like control is unbiblical, and is one of the reasons why the movement has attracted negative publicity. In addition, it appears that the movement's leaders are hypocrites - a trait common to cult leaders. While putting heavy restrictions on the movement's members, the leaders engage in dirty tricks campaigns. http://www.apologeti csindex.org/254-excl usive-brethren-cult- like CIFS: Cult Information & Family Support. Exclusive Brethren site:cifs.org.au SuzieQutzie
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4:34am Thu 24 Jan 13

SuzieQutzie says...

Also, I cannot find the above information that Zoe James goes on about over this groups recent deceptive new name change, except in Wikipedia which is in dispute as it is inaccurate; all other encyclopedias, especially respected Theological ones clearly state the separation of Exclusive Brethren from the Plymouth Brethren by Darby in the 1840's or 1848 to be precise...

Even the real and original Plymouth (or Open) Brethren groups themselves have written to the Charities Commission explaining the differences and commenting on how they don't want to be connected to a group who behaves in the way that the Exclusive Brethren do (imagine that - other Christian Churches in effect withdrawing from the Exclusive Brethren or now pretend Plymouth Brethren, as they don't want to be tainted with their bad behaviour, how ironic...)

http://www.thirdsect
or.co.uk/go/news/art
icle/1166486/open-br
ethren-write-charity
-commission-stress-d
ifferences-exclusive
-branch/
Also, I cannot find the above information that Zoe James goes on about over this groups recent deceptive new name change, except in Wikipedia which is in dispute as it is inaccurate; all other encyclopedias, especially respected Theological ones clearly state the separation of Exclusive Brethren from the Plymouth Brethren by Darby in the 1840's or 1848 to be precise... Even the real and original Plymouth (or Open) Brethren groups themselves have written to the Charities Commission explaining the differences and commenting on how they don't want to be connected to a group who behaves in the way that the Exclusive Brethren do (imagine that - other Christian Churches in effect withdrawing from the Exclusive Brethren or now pretend Plymouth Brethren, as they don't want to be tainted with their bad behaviour, how ironic...) http://www.thirdsect or.co.uk/go/news/art icle/1166486/open-br ethren-write-charity -commission-stress-d ifferences-exclusive -branch/ SuzieQutzie
  • Score: 1

4:47am Thu 24 Jan 13

SuzieQutzie says...

Ummm and one more thing, you have got the guys in the photo the wrong way around, the one on the right is the Exclusive Brethren (or if you insist, the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church member - even though the real Plymouth Brethren have already complained about this seemingly deliberate identity deception).

This cult does not allow its male members to have facial hair or side burns... so you may want to correct this or the Exclusive Brethren may also threaten to sue your paper too, for reporting incorrectly, as seems to be their usual thing to do, in fact I do not know of a case yet where there has been any independent reporting done (outside of publicized press releases done, like the one above) that has NOT had threats of legal action following it... very odd for a group supposedly Christian to behave in such an unGodly, un-Biblical and unChristian way, don't you think?
Ummm and one more thing, you have got the guys in the photo the wrong way around, the one on the right is the Exclusive Brethren (or if you insist, the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church member - even though the real Plymouth Brethren have already complained about this seemingly deliberate identity deception). This cult does not allow its male members to have facial hair or side burns... so you may want to correct this or the Exclusive Brethren may also threaten to sue your paper too, for reporting incorrectly, as seems to be their usual thing to do, in fact I do not know of a case yet where there has been any independent reporting done (outside of publicized press releases done, like the one above) that has NOT had threats of legal action following it... very odd for a group supposedly Christian to behave in such an unGodly, un-Biblical and unChristian way, don't you think? SuzieQutzie
  • Score: 1

6:27am Thu 24 Jan 13

SuzieQutzie says...

In response to the nonsense spouted by Zoe James about the apparent (and totally incorrect) history and naming of the Brethren, below is the link to an excellent article written by the other Brethren groups themselves (the non-Exclusive ones) pointing out the huge differences between them and the group referred to in the news article above, who only recently started calling themselves the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church;

It seems the original Plymouth Brethren or Christian Brethren really don't want to be mistaken for the same people as the Exclusive Brethren/Plymouth Brethren Christian Church and therefore they have gone to the special trouble of issuing press releases to this effect and also notifying the Charity Commission and other interested parties too.

It really makes you wonder why the real original Brethren (Open/Plymouth groups) are so concerned about being tarnished with the same brush as the Exclusive Brethren/Plymouth Brethren Christian Church...

http://www.partnersh
ipuk.org/qwicsitePro
2/php/docsview.php?d
ocid=1658
In response to the nonsense spouted by Zoe James about the apparent (and totally incorrect) history and naming of the Brethren, below is the link to an excellent article written by the other Brethren groups themselves (the non-Exclusive ones) pointing out the huge differences between them and the group referred to in the news article above, who only recently started calling themselves the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church; It seems the original Plymouth Brethren or Christian Brethren really don't want to be mistaken for the same people as the Exclusive Brethren/Plymouth Brethren Christian Church and therefore they have gone to the special trouble of issuing press releases to this effect and also notifying the Charity Commission and other interested parties too. It really makes you wonder why the real original Brethren (Open/Plymouth groups) are so concerned about being tarnished with the same brush as the Exclusive Brethren/Plymouth Brethren Christian Church... http://www.partnersh ipuk.org/qwicsitePro 2/php/docsview.php?d ocid=1658 SuzieQutzie
  • Score: 1

6:49am Thu 24 Jan 13

Rebuttaldoc says...

STATEMENT BY ELDERS OF THE PLYMOUTH BRETHREN CHRISTIAN CHURCH (PBCC)
REGARDING ARTICLE IN THE MAIL ON SUNDAY 20TH JANUARY 2013

We have seen the statement from the Wilton Park Trustees ‘COMMENTS ON ARTICLE IN THE MAIL ON SUNDAY 20TH JANUARY 2013’ and as informed of the witnessed facts we unequivocally support everything contained therein.
The Mail article is a disgraceful misrepresentation of the true situation and is full of error and distortion.
As regards the alleged ‘shutting up’ of the girl pupil:
• The girl pupil was never ‘shut up’ at any time by her local elders or the congregation.
• When the family was going through a difficult time, church elders provided support and counsel as a result of which the household has been kept together as a family unit.
• The girl temporarily stayed at home in support of and with the full sympathy of her mother, and with the full knowledge of the school. Wilton Park School facilitated this by providing learning materials and support and in fact successfully sat her exams during this time.

Teaching at Wilton Park School, as in all PBCC schools, is based on the National Curriculum and is carried out under the direction and guidance of non-Brethren professional teachers.
The Plymouth Brethren Christian Church believes strongly in the sanctity of marriage and the family and this is reflected in the Christian ethos of the school.


Peter Trevvett Garth Christie Graham Reiner John Rich Julian Aris Bruce Hazell Keith Birch

WEBSITE: factual information about the PBCC and our beliefs and practices can be found on www.plymouthbrethren
christianchurch.org
CONTACT FOR MORE INFORMATION: 020 8391 7620
STATEMENT BY ELDERS OF THE PLYMOUTH BRETHREN CHRISTIAN CHURCH (PBCC) REGARDING ARTICLE IN THE MAIL ON SUNDAY 20TH JANUARY 2013 We have seen the statement from the Wilton Park Trustees ‘COMMENTS ON ARTICLE IN THE MAIL ON SUNDAY 20TH JANUARY 2013’ and as informed of the witnessed facts we unequivocally support everything contained therein. The Mail article is a disgraceful misrepresentation of the true situation and is full of error and distortion. As regards the alleged ‘shutting up’ of the girl pupil: • The girl pupil was never ‘shut up’ at any time by her local elders or the congregation. • When the family was going through a difficult time, church elders provided support and counsel as a result of which the household has been kept together as a family unit. • The girl temporarily stayed at home in support of and with the full sympathy of her mother, and with the full knowledge of the school. Wilton Park School facilitated this by providing learning materials and support and in fact successfully sat her exams during this time. Teaching at Wilton Park School, as in all PBCC schools, is based on the National Curriculum and is carried out under the direction and guidance of non-Brethren professional teachers. The Plymouth Brethren Christian Church believes strongly in the sanctity of marriage and the family and this is reflected in the Christian ethos of the school. Peter Trevvett Garth Christie Graham Reiner John Rich Julian Aris Bruce Hazell Keith Birch WEBSITE: factual information about the PBCC and our beliefs and practices can be found on www.plymouthbrethren christianchurch.org CONTACT FOR MORE INFORMATION: 020 8391 7620 Rebuttaldoc
  • Score: 0

6:56am Thu 24 Jan 13

SuzieQutzie says...

Garth Christie (one of the statement providers above) is the one who stood up in the Charity Commission enquiry and deliberately deceived the members of that group under oath.

Im sorry but I cannot believe that he would suddenly start giving factual statements now. He also had to then apologize to the MP's select committe for misleading them too, which was widely reported in another news article, shall I get the link for you?

AND he said that the Brethren "welcomed public scrutiny" however every time someone opens up the Exclusive Brethren to public scrutiny, they get sued or threatened of being sued... this is a direct violation of the Biblical teaching of do not take your matters to the law courts, and consider it a blessing when you are cursed and people even tell lies about you... I see none of this Christian behaviour in the ongoing actions of the Exclusive Brethren (now calling themselves Plymouth Brethren Christian Church).
Garth Christie (one of the statement providers above) is the one who stood up in the Charity Commission enquiry and deliberately deceived the members of that group under oath. Im sorry but I cannot believe that he would suddenly start giving factual statements now. He also had to then apologize to the MP's select committe for misleading them too, which was widely reported in another news article, shall I get the link for you? AND he said that the Brethren "welcomed public scrutiny" however every time someone opens up the Exclusive Brethren to public scrutiny, they get sued or threatened of being sued... this is a direct violation of the Biblical teaching of do not take your matters to the law courts, and consider it a blessing when you are cursed and people even tell lies about you... I see none of this Christian behaviour in the ongoing actions of the Exclusive Brethren (now calling themselves Plymouth Brethren Christian Church). SuzieQutzie
  • Score: 1

7:04am Thu 24 Jan 13

SuzieQutzie says...

The following extracts quoted from Partnership article, reproduced with permission:

"The 'Brethren' movement split in about 1848, initially into two branches: (1) those associated with J N Darby; these came to be known by others as the 'Exclusive' or 'Closed' Brethren; and (2) the 'Open Brethren' associated particularly with the Bristol philanthropist, George Müller.

In the 1880s and early 1900s, the Exclusive group (1) split several further times on doctrinal and disciplinary issues. From the 1950s, the largest of the resulting Exclusive groups turned decisively in a sectarian direction, on the basis of the doctrine of 'separation' from the world, and required their members to conform to particular practices, including, for example, withdrawal from professional bodies; and from eating with unbelievers. Failure to conform led to exclusion from contact, even between members of the same family when they reached teenage years. This group has been known as the 'Taylor-Symington-Ha
les' Brethren (hereinafter for simplicity, the 'Taylor Brethren') after the succession of recognised international leaders of the group. The group now describing itself as the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church derives directly from this group.

Today, the Taylor Brethren (the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church) say that their group numbers 46,000 worldwide and in the UK 16,000. The Taylor Brethren are largely located in the UK, the old Dominions and the USA.

Just like Baptist churches, the congregations practise believers' baptism. Baptism or formal church membership is not generally required of those who take communion: communion in Open Brethren churches is stated as being open to all who are Christian believers, whether regular attenders or visitors. All meetings are open to all-comers and many meetings are specifically intended for them.
Open Brethren churches do not normally maintain formal membership, requiring application and admission. It is more accurate to speak of regular attenders, for whom the leaders would regard themselves as pastorally responsible. In general, such regular attenders do not have voting rights for any purpose: new leaders are selected by the existing leaders, with varying degrees of consultation with regular attenders.

There are no known cases where Open Brethren churches and activities have had difficulty in registering their charities with the Charity Commission or the Office of the Scottish Charity Regulator. This includes since the Charities Act 2006 (now consolidated into the Charities Act 2011), which required that the charity seeking registration must explain how it gives, or proposes to give, public benefit.

http://www.partnersh
ipuk.org/qwicsitePro
2/php/docsview.php?d
ocid=1658
The following extracts quoted from Partnership article, reproduced with permission: "The 'Brethren' movement split in about 1848, initially into two branches: (1) those associated with J N Darby; these came to be known by others as the 'Exclusive' or 'Closed' Brethren; and (2) the 'Open Brethren' associated particularly with the Bristol philanthropist, George Müller. In the 1880s and early 1900s, the Exclusive group (1) split several further times on doctrinal and disciplinary issues. From the 1950s, the largest of the resulting Exclusive groups turned decisively in a sectarian direction, on the basis of the doctrine of 'separation' from the world, and required their members to conform to particular practices, including, for example, withdrawal from professional bodies; and from eating with unbelievers. Failure to conform led to exclusion from contact, even between members of the same family when they reached teenage years. This group has been known as the 'Taylor-Symington-Ha les' Brethren (hereinafter for simplicity, the 'Taylor Brethren') after the succession of recognised international leaders of the group. The group now describing itself as the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church derives directly from this group. Today, the Taylor Brethren (the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church) say that their group numbers 46,000 worldwide and in the UK 16,000. The Taylor Brethren are largely located in the UK, the old Dominions and the USA. Just like Baptist churches, the congregations practise believers' baptism. Baptism or formal church membership is not generally required of those who take communion: communion in Open Brethren churches is stated as being open to all who are Christian believers, whether regular attenders or visitors. All meetings are open to all-comers and many meetings are specifically intended for them. Open Brethren churches do not normally maintain formal membership, requiring application and admission. It is more accurate to speak of regular attenders, for whom the leaders would regard themselves as pastorally responsible. In general, such regular attenders do not have voting rights for any purpose: new leaders are selected by the existing leaders, with varying degrees of consultation with regular attenders. There are no known cases where Open Brethren churches and activities have had difficulty in registering their charities with the Charity Commission or the Office of the Scottish Charity Regulator. This includes since the Charities Act 2006 (now consolidated into the Charities Act 2011), which required that the charity seeking registration must explain how it gives, or proposes to give, public benefit. http://www.partnersh ipuk.org/qwicsitePro 2/php/docsview.php?d ocid=1658 SuzieQutzie
  • Score: 1

7:12am Thu 24 Jan 13

SuzieQutzie says...

5. Scrutiny

5.2 During the questioning by the Commons PAC, Mr Garth Christie, one of the UK Brethren leaders, made this statement:

"We do not mind any of the questions. We welcome scrutiny, that is not a problem to us. If any of the members have further questions they would like to send in or approach us about, we welcome it. We have nothing to hide. "

5.3 When considering this statement it should be understood that the Exclusive Brethren have had closed down 3 websites where ex-members have exchanged news and information, asked questions or expressed views and criticism. The current website which ex-members use has had restrictions placed on it by the Brethren. They often appear to be portrayed as David in a David and Goliath confrontation but this does not really tell the story. Due to massive wealth they have been able to pursue legal cases as far as they wish and well beyond the resources of their opposite number. Currently, a number of former members are in receipt of lawyer’s letters in an attempt to silence them and a piece of academic work has also been challenged. This can also be seen in the huge international building programme which has taken place over recent years amounting to many millions of pounds. Churches with much larger attendance would not be able to even begin such a programme.

http://www.publicati
ons.parliament.uk/pa
/cm201213/cmselect/c
mpubadm/writev/chari
ty/m56.htm
5. Scrutiny 5.2 During the questioning by the Commons PAC, Mr Garth Christie, one of the UK Brethren leaders, made this statement: "We do not mind any of the questions. We welcome scrutiny, that is not a problem to us. If any of the members have further questions they would like to send in or approach us about, we welcome it. We have nothing to hide. " 5.3 When considering this statement it should be understood that the Exclusive Brethren have had closed down 3 websites where ex-members have exchanged news and information, asked questions or expressed views and criticism. The current website which ex-members use has had restrictions placed on it by the Brethren. They often appear to be portrayed as David in a David and Goliath confrontation but this does not really tell the story. Due to massive wealth they have been able to pursue legal cases as far as they wish and well beyond the resources of their opposite number. Currently, a number of former members are in receipt of lawyer’s letters in an attempt to silence them and a piece of academic work has also been challenged. This can also be seen in the huge international building programme which has taken place over recent years amounting to many millions of pounds. Churches with much larger attendance would not be able to even begin such a programme. http://www.publicati ons.parliament.uk/pa /cm201213/cmselect/c mpubadm/writev/chari ty/m56.htm SuzieQutzie
  • Score: 1

7:18am Thu 24 Jan 13

SuzieQutzie says...

We still haven't seen any admission by Garth Christie about his deceptions before the PASC committee, which sure seem to have been deliberate (as they were about things he could not POSSIBLY have been mistaken about), and which have now been proved by other evidence submitted to be false... but he did at least apologize for misleading the committee another time as below, although he blamed it on not making proper notes...

This does all demonstrate that Mr Christie of the Exclusive Brethren (now Plymouth Brethren Christian Church) is rather the habit of making statements in error, which is why I am not at all inclined to believe any statement with his name on it, as he may have been "confused" at the time he wrote it and be forced to apologize later for misleading us all...

Written evidence submitted by Garth Christie (CH 60):

Apology for error made before the Public Administration Select Committee on 30th October 2012

I had the recent privilege of representing the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church before the Public Administration Select Committee in relation to the topic of ‘Regulation of the Charitable Sector and the Charities Act 2006’.

During the course of this Committee hearing I made an error in my statement to you. I unreservedly apologise for this.

http://www.publicati
ons.parliament.uk/pa
/cm201213/cmselect/c
mpubadm/writev/chari
ty/m60.htm
We still haven't seen any admission by Garth Christie about his deceptions before the PASC committee, which sure seem to have been deliberate (as they were about things he could not POSSIBLY have been mistaken about), and which have now been proved by other evidence submitted to be false... but he did at least apologize for misleading the committee another time as below, although he blamed it on not making proper notes... This does all demonstrate that Mr Christie of the Exclusive Brethren (now Plymouth Brethren Christian Church) is rather the habit of making statements in error, which is why I am not at all inclined to believe any statement with his name on it, as he may have been "confused" at the time he wrote it and be forced to apologize later for misleading us all... Written evidence submitted by Garth Christie (CH 60): Apology for error made before the Public Administration Select Committee on 30th October 2012 I had the recent privilege of representing the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church before the Public Administration Select Committee in relation to the topic of ‘Regulation of the Charitable Sector and the Charities Act 2006’. During the course of this Committee hearing I made an error in my statement to you. I unreservedly apologise for this. http://www.publicati ons.parliament.uk/pa /cm201213/cmselect/c mpubadm/writev/chari ty/m60.htm SuzieQutzie
  • Score: 1

8:24am Thu 24 Jan 13

SuzieQutzie says...

It is also claimed by Zoe James in her response above, that:
• The latest School Inspection report praises Wilton Park’s provision for its pupils’ wellbeing and makes no adverse comments about the school at all.

I totally disagree with this statement, and many of those concerned about cult behaviour and mind control would also have the same worries, especially about statements such at these (taken directly from the Wilton Park School latest report document 2011) :

"Although teaching encourages pupil participation, teaching strategies do not do enough to promote extended oral
responses which challenge pupils to think on their feet and develop as independent
thinkers.... Pupils, and in particular the girls, are reticent about speaking at any
length during lessons..... As with Key Stage 3,
there is not always enough emphasis on the development of extended talk in lessons....Next Steps:
While not required by the regulations, the school might wish to consider the following
points for development:
• develop pupils’ confidence in expressing ideas and opinions orally to enhance
their skills as independent thinkers.....Althoug
h pupils are often articulate when speaking one-
to-one with adults, they are too often reticent, especially the girls, to answer
questions at length and are not confident speakers. Teachers do not always
challenge pupils to give the extended answers that might be expected at Post-16
level....."

As all the comments relate to reticence to talk and lack of ability to reason and think for themselves, this is clearly VERY worrying to anyone wanting to be assured that Article 9 of Human Rights was being exercised in its fullness. I am not the only person who has seen this report who has expressed extreme uneasiness as to these related comments which could easily lead to the students feeling like they are not allowed to think or speak for themselves, and therefore be susceptible to being told how to act and what to think by others, such as Church authorities.

The specific reference to girls being more reticent than boys is also of concern as it mirrors the Exclusive Brethren (or now called Plymouth Brethren Christian Church) belief that women should be subservient to men, a view that was not upheld by Jesus himself nor one which is adhered to in most mainstream Christian Churches, so this too is worrying. So I'm sorry I cannot agree with Zoe James that there is nothing of concern in the school report, there is a lot to be concerned about, especially as it is all linked to known cult behaviours to keep adherents under control.

http://www.focus-sch
ool.com/wessex_downl
oads/wilton_park_rep
ort_2011.pdf
It is also claimed by Zoe James in her response above, that: • The latest School Inspection report praises Wilton Park’s provision for its pupils’ wellbeing and makes no adverse comments about the school at all. I totally disagree with this statement, and many of those concerned about cult behaviour and mind control would also have the same worries, especially about statements such at these (taken directly from the Wilton Park School latest report document 2011) : "Although teaching encourages pupil participation, teaching strategies do not do enough to promote extended oral responses which challenge pupils to think on their feet and develop as independent thinkers.... Pupils, and in particular the girls, are reticent about speaking at any length during lessons..... As with Key Stage 3, there is not always enough emphasis on the development of extended talk in lessons....Next Steps: While not required by the regulations, the school might wish to consider the following points for development: • develop pupils’ confidence in expressing ideas and opinions orally to enhance their skills as independent thinkers.....Althoug h pupils are often articulate when speaking one- to-one with adults, they are too often reticent, especially the girls, to answer questions at length and are not confident speakers. Teachers do not always challenge pupils to give the extended answers that might be expected at Post-16 level....." As all the comments relate to reticence to talk and lack of ability to reason and think for themselves, this is clearly VERY worrying to anyone wanting to be assured that Article 9 of Human Rights was being exercised in its fullness. I am not the only person who has seen this report who has expressed extreme uneasiness as to these related comments which could easily lead to the students feeling like they are not allowed to think or speak for themselves, and therefore be susceptible to being told how to act and what to think by others, such as Church authorities. The specific reference to girls being more reticent than boys is also of concern as it mirrors the Exclusive Brethren (or now called Plymouth Brethren Christian Church) belief that women should be subservient to men, a view that was not upheld by Jesus himself nor one which is adhered to in most mainstream Christian Churches, so this too is worrying. So I'm sorry I cannot agree with Zoe James that there is nothing of concern in the school report, there is a lot to be concerned about, especially as it is all linked to known cult behaviours to keep adherents under control. http://www.focus-sch ool.com/wessex_downl oads/wilton_park_rep ort_2011.pdf SuzieQutzie
  • Score: 0

3:44pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Niixen says...

This is possibly the biggest farce of 2013. The Plymouth Brethren, or Exclusive Brethren whatever they are calling themselves currently, are a simple bunch, true. However the reins are held by one man with his interpretation of the bible. This among other things has changed their status dramatically from a religious sect to a cult. My parents and brother live in Mid devon and we all used to live in Cullompton, I know the damaged bridge well. If Bruce Hales - cult leader says that his entire following were to commit suicide "heavens gate" style, they undoubtedly would. People do not be fooled, this 'unselfish' gift has been ordered from the top in view of the Plymouth Brethren Cult gaining 'Charitable' Status something which as a former member I can say they are most definitely not. Stan Wallis, pictured right has a four storey house, numerous vehicles is director of a successful company called Southfield Windows. One paltry 1000 quid does not make you as charitable organization. It means you buy what you want. 90% of Plymouth Brethren businesses have funds to repair the entire bridge from petty cash due to the business dealings of their cult leader Bruce. Funny that he had ownership of all their meeting rooms worldwide put into his own name. All sounds a bit Branch Davidian to me, but without the guns. Peebs, you're a joke, seriously. Neil Smuts
This is possibly the biggest farce of 2013. The Plymouth Brethren, or Exclusive Brethren whatever they are calling themselves currently, are a simple bunch, true. However the reins are held by one man with his interpretation of the bible. This among other things has changed their status dramatically from a religious sect to a cult. My parents and brother live in Mid devon and we all used to live in Cullompton, I know the damaged bridge well. If Bruce Hales - cult leader says that his entire following were to commit suicide "heavens gate" style, they undoubtedly would. People do not be fooled, this 'unselfish' gift has been ordered from the top in view of the Plymouth Brethren Cult gaining 'Charitable' Status something which as a former member I can say they are most definitely not. Stan Wallis, pictured right has a four storey house, numerous vehicles is director of a successful company called Southfield Windows. One paltry 1000 quid does not make you as charitable organization. It means you buy what you want. 90% of Plymouth Brethren businesses have funds to repair the entire bridge from petty cash due to the business dealings of their cult leader Bruce. Funny that he had ownership of all their meeting rooms worldwide put into his own name. All sounds a bit Branch Davidian to me, but without the guns. Peebs, you're a joke, seriously. Neil Smuts Niixen
  • Score: 1

10:39pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Zoe-James says...

Wow Suzie, you are a busy girl writing all these blogs! All I was pointing out to Mr Wallis was that you need to be very careful before you say as he does that the Mail on Sunday revealed some interesting 'facts'. It is well known that Sunday papers stoop to the lowest levels to fabricate or twist a story primarily to sell copies. Please also note that all the comments you attribute to me are part of the school's response and not my own comments.
I am not in the least bit interested in your religious hocus-pocus and don't see why our local newspaper site needs to be rammed full of religious ravings. Any donation towards putting our flood damaged area back on it's feet is welcome and, whatever you say, very generous.
Thank you!
Wow Suzie, you are a busy girl writing all these blogs! All I was pointing out to Mr Wallis was that you need to be very careful before you say as he does that the Mail on Sunday revealed some interesting 'facts'. It is well known that Sunday papers stoop to the lowest levels to fabricate or twist a story primarily to sell copies. Please also note that all the comments you attribute to me are part of the school's response and not my own comments. I am not in the least bit interested in your religious hocus-pocus and don't see why our local newspaper site needs to be rammed full of religious ravings. Any donation towards putting our flood damaged area back on it's feet is welcome and, whatever you say, very generous. Thank you! Zoe-James
  • Score: -1

1:07am Fri 25 Jan 13

SuzieQutzie says...

Thank you Zoe James for explaining that you were only posting a press release and not championing the cause of a cult that breaches Human Rights Article 9 and abuses children, I am glad to hear it and I apologize for being misled by your post, which seemed to be in support of the Exclusive Brethren (now calling themselves Plymouth Brethren Christian Church) practices.

However, your post did suggest that this press release by the EB/PBCC, contained the "facts" opposed to the Mail article, when it is actually more one sided than the Mail article (since it is from only one source... the cult itself).

You also appealed to fail to see that the article only said it was alleged, and it was claimed, and people had said stuff which was quoted. None of this article was even called "facts", yet a lot of the information in it was gained from reputable sources.

As for religious hocus pocus, I would actually be very concerned as the local resident you suggest you are, who my council or anyone else in a trusted community position was "getting into bed with" so to speak, as they would find out that this extremist religious group is not who they pretend to be... and they could then be linked to some very dodgy activity themselves, if they are not careful which could be much more concerning than any trouble the Mail could be possibly suggested as being in... so thanks again for your explanation and I hope this will pique your interest in being careful where your public money comes from!
Thank you Zoe James for explaining that you were only posting a press release and not championing the cause of a cult that breaches Human Rights Article 9 and abuses children, I am glad to hear it and I apologize for being misled by your post, which seemed to be in support of the Exclusive Brethren (now calling themselves Plymouth Brethren Christian Church) practices. However, your post did suggest that this press release by the EB/PBCC, contained the "facts" opposed to the Mail article, when it is actually more one sided than the Mail article (since it is from only one source... the cult itself). You also appealed to fail to see that the article only said it was alleged, and it was claimed, and people had said stuff which was quoted. None of this article was even called "facts", yet a lot of the information in it was gained from reputable sources. As for religious hocus pocus, I would actually be very concerned as the local resident you suggest you are, who my council or anyone else in a trusted community position was "getting into bed with" so to speak, as they would find out that this extremist religious group is not who they pretend to be... and they could then be linked to some very dodgy activity themselves, if they are not careful which could be much more concerning than any trouble the Mail could be possibly suggested as being in... so thanks again for your explanation and I hope this will pique your interest in being careful where your public money comes from! SuzieQutzie
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